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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:53:00 -
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My understanding is that a specific practice is deemed an exploit. Intentionally bumping a freighter isn't an expoit. Ganking a freighter isn't an exploit.
Bumping a freighter for great lengths of time and only engaging him criminally AFTER he logs of (when trying to enter e-warp), then scanning him down off the gate and ganking him in the next 15 minutes is considered an exploit.
The part where the exploit comes in is where you intentionally wait for the target to log off and then engage once he is out of game to start the 15 min log off timer. My understanding is the 'engage only after the target leaves the game' is the offensive part. It makes sense that intentionally engagings someone not in game is not an approved game mechanic.
Historically doing things that are dependant on the other player disconnecting are seen as 'bad'. If the real world breaks your connection (be it a hardware, software, continuity of power OR real life commitment) then you have left the game and are not elligible to be engaged/ganked or whatever.
Bumping a guy until he intentionally logs off (I see this as surrendering) and then killing him to me seems legit, BUT as always proving the reason someone left the game is not possible, SO engaging on this thin slice of play know as post log off has defaulted to exploit.
Why do it this way instead of just ganking the freighter on the gate?? It gets the loot scooper off the gate so that when he loots and gets a suspect flag he has a margin of safety from all the other folks in eve that may now shoot him. Man up gankers. The target was man enough to undock a 25 bil isk freighter - you should be man enough to scoop the loot on a gate instead of wimping out and using the e-warp to keep you RELATIVELY SAFE.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:15:00 -
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My question was actually rhetorical. I think (sure) it works like this: Frustrated freighter pilot can't get to gate or into warp because of bumping. Frustrated frieighter pilot logs of. Ibis bumper sees frustrated freighter pilot log off. Ibis shoots freighter causing concord to respond. Ibis gets popped. Freighter e warps (with 15 min agression flag) to log off location. Gank squad scans freighter down and gankes it. Concord responds.
If the ibis is only there for bumping and not as a post log off aggro sacrifice, then there are a lot better bumping ships and gankers are dumb for using newb ships (this is sarcasm - they are not dumb).
I think this thread is more about is bumping and exploit? No
Is bumping a freighter until he logs off, then shooting him and then ganking him an exploit? Yes
Work around - don't log your freighter pilot off when you're getting bumped. Don't put 25 bil in cargo. Don't.... |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2014.01.23 13:08:00 -
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I think 25 billion isk worth of cargo would be more than enough to bring along an insurance policy. Keep 2 scimmitar and 2 oneiros as secort for the freighter. They start shooting it, you start repping it, the all say 'oh crap, we're doomed' and you warp away smelling like victory. It's relatively easy to make a successful gank very difficult. Billions and billions of isk move across eve every day. The gankers pick the low hanging fruit. Just don't be the low hanging fruit. There are a lot of ways to do that.
"I should be able to pilot my freighter across eve safely... no matter what.... (and so on)" is just ignoring the reality of the game we all play.
Accept the game as it is for what it is and adjust. If you want to 'win eve' you have to learn to play the hand CCP deals you. |
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